Everyone loves a nice guy
right? All the ladies sit around in
coffee bars and pubs and their friends’ home watching some soap and drinking
wine saying they’d love to meet a decent man but bemoaning the fact that there
are no decent men left anywhere. But, at
the same time, we all know that decent guys always come last don’t they? They’re the ones who get overlooked, ignored,
messed about, side-lined and, generally because they’re too nice perhaps, women
feel they can always depend on them to be there but at the same time aren’t
taken too seriously at all. The nice guy
always comes back, is always there on time, is always friendly, is always
sincere and genuine when he says he likes you and wants to take you out and is
nice and dependable… and boring! Isn’t that the downside ladies, the nice guy
is too nice, always dependable and quite frankly rather boring just because he
is such a nice guy?! That’s the
perception I get from women anyway, from reading magazines and looking at
websites and just from being around many women in the past in colleges and
universities and friends’ houses. Women
like a bad boy, right?! They love
someone exciting, mysterious, perhaps bringing with them a frisson of danger
and unpredictability, someone who won’t be told what to do and won’t pander to
a woman’s sulks so she can control him or get him to do what she wants and when
she wants, a bloke who takes control and takes what he wants and is devil may
care even dismissive of the woman he runs around with, and it seems with this
type of bloke, women fall hook, line and sinker.
In some ways, I have often been a
nice guy, someone who thought the best of everyone and was naïve completely to
the ways of the world and the ways of people too. I was put upon, bullied and pissed about by
friends and women I used to meet. But, I
am not going to give you a sob story here because I haven’t always been a nice
guy either and have not been a saint either and there are things I have done I
regret, although nothing terrible, and there are things I said as well to other
people that I deeply regret but can’t really do anything about now. I think most of us can be nice sometimes and
at other times not so nice. Few are
genuine saints anywhere. And I can also
say that at times I could be very cruel and sarcastic and vitriolic towards
other people, usually if they riled me or upset me in some way, partially
because I got fed up with being hurt and treated badly by people. I developed a hard shell to protect my
vulnerable soft centre and my very easily hurt feelings; I think many people
develop this and in some senses think it natural and even acceptable as long as
our hardness does not become callousness or an excuse to be cruel or even
indifferent to others. The person
bullied should never become a bully, in other words.
It is true that nice people in
general get taken for granted, even women, and are seen as an easy touch or
someone to poke fun at or just someone to rely on that someone can use and
generally not take seriously. And if we
are honest, most of us have treated someone else like this once or twice in our
lives and have taken people for granted, and many of us have also been taken
for granted by people we knew or know and even by friends in the past and maybe
even presently. For many of us, being
mistreated or generally taken for granted for long periods of time can leave us
feeling hurt, angry, mistrustful of others and even bitter and resentful
towards the people who hurt you and sometimes people in general. I have felt all these things and more before
today and it developed in me a sense that I seemed to meet, not always, people
who would hurt me and abuse me or just generally treat me like crap and that I
would continue to do so, so I became withdrawn and a bit of a loner. I suppose I still am a bit of a loner really,
to a point. But like most people I need
company and when I was younger and when I was a kid I had lots of friends, some
close and some not so close and others just acquaintances that passed into my
life briefly and then passed out again just as quickly. I am not a natural loner I think, just
someone who got used to it reluctantly and then accepted it to a degree. I still have friends but don’t see them that
often at this time and I am still single too.
That is frustrating to me somewhat, yet how do people meet people these
days to genuinely fall in love with someone?
Go to pubs? It never seemed to
work. Go to nightclubs? Well, if you can speak over the absolute din
of the music, what can you really say to someone who just wants to dance around
their handbag anyway?
When I was younger I was quite a
good looking boy (if I say so myself!) but incredibly shy and would blush red
if a girl even talked to me; and then when I hit my mid-teens I kind of became
the classic ‘ugly duckling’, somehow not quite right and was teased and even
bullied and girls paid me little if any attention at all, and even if they did
I was too shy to respond anyway. Then,
as happens to many young men and women, I began to notice women noticing me
because somehow I fit my face and found a look that suited me. But the years of getting little interest obviously
affected me, as I know it affects many other people who bloom in their early
adult years, and so I remained for a long time unsure of myself and lacked
confidence in many things. I suppose
this was also because some friends I had made me feel small by belittling
me. However, if I am honest, we all took
the piss out of one another as well, so I am not claiming to be some suffering
saint here because I wasn’t. But for all
this, I was never someone who was genuinely cruel to others, it was usually
people being nasty to me that got me going back at them. My first friend was cruel about the fact we
were poor and didn’t live in a very nice house and even criticised the food we
served him after we invited him to dinner!
Yeah, some friends I had hey?!
But this was when I was a little kid so I can’t hold any anger for that
or him, just a slight sense of amusement tinged with a touch of bemusement. But such is life, and I can honestly say that
as a kid I had a pretty decent and happy childhood with few real traumas… until
I got older.
What I can say dispassionately is
that in my pursuit of romance, in finding someone to love and care about and
have a relationship with, women could be as mercenary as men in the pursuit of
meaningless sexual encounters and one night stands. Deep down, I knew early on that I wanted a
proper relationship whereas friends of mine, not all of them and not all the
time either, often wanted no strings attached fun, and sought the type of women
that wanted that too. Eventually, I
understood one thing, that I knew then and I know now: that women can be just
as big players as men, and not all women are demure and sweet and looking for
long term boyfriends, but want casual flings as many men do, although the oft
repeated perception is that men are always predatory and women are the innocent
victims of men’s lusts and advances. I
think real life, and the men and women thing, is rather slightly more
complicated than that, in fact my experience of the pub/nightclub scene,
something I don’t participate in any more, is of all kinds of women and men,
some nice, some not so nice, and here I am talking specifically about women and
in this case some women were very sweet and nice to talk to, others were
coquettish and shy, others were angry and hostile even if you just glanced at
them! I learned, as do most men, to
leave those angry types alone. And of
course, as with all people everywhere, there are countless variants and
admixtures and characteristics of women’s personalities. I understand that many women have been
mistreated by men, and some persuasive men will tell a woman anything at all
just to get her into bed, and have no qualms at all about doing so again and
again. These types of men give all nice
guys a bad reputation, and then some of those used women become angry and
defensive and hostile, and offload that on to any man who approaches them, and
so the vicious cycle continues and the Battle of the Sexes notches up more
unhappy casualties; I am one of them. No
matter who ‘wins’ in this vicious turf war, men blaming women and women blaming
men, no one ever wins and we all just retreat back behind the lines to carry on
our hostilities and attacking each other, sure of only one thing: we will
remain bitter and lonely, whilst always desiring someone to love. We are pulled in two directions, and this is
not good for anyone’s emotional state or mental health.
I found that on nights out, and
even in colleges and places like that, women when approached might not even be hostile
or angry, just indifferent and not even interested enough to be disinterested;
but, sometimes when you see the same woman weeks later, perhaps in the same pub
or place you saw them before, they seem interested or they are looking at you,
not angrily but just what might be deemed curious or even interested. Women especially seem to blow hot and cold,
and not to say this is only women, we all do to a certain extent, we might see
someone we were not interested in and then suddenly find we are interested in
them; this even goes for friends of the opposite sex too, who we can suddenly
or bit by bit start to develop feelings for.
But, speaking as a man, I have found that women can be like this a lot,
indifferent almost as a default stance, and for many men this can be off-putting
and upsetting. You may say, well you
need to develop backbone and be more of a man in this kind of situation and all
the rest of it, but men are no different to women in that we don’t want to be
hurt and we don’t like to be messed around and nobody but nobody likes to be
rejected.
Another core of the dating game
and the whole looking for love and romance scene, is the whole issue of rejection. Even the fear of rejection is so big for many
people, for both men and women, that it means we don’t speak to someone and we
go home regretting what we could have said but didn’t. Nobody likes being rejected because it makes
everyone feel like a loser and, not to be vulgar, it makes everyone feel shitty
and even worthless. And if you already
have issues of rejection or low self-worth or feel unloved for some reason as
well, this can be a very painful stumbling block for many of us. It is the romantic version of the Israelites
seeing the Sea of Reeds and seeing no way through. Rejection is a big problem for me, as I think
it is for many people both male and female, and in the past if someone rejected
me I often took it to heart and it depressed me, and of course as you go out
again to change your luck but only notch up more rejections, it begins a cycle
of misery, feelings of worthlessness, a growing anger towards women and the
need the week after to go out again, only as you do, week after week, you are
feeling more and more dejected and likely to be ignored or rejected anyway
simply because you look miserable or angry or disappointed or a mixture of all
three. This can be like an addiction in
itself. I had to quit eventually. I am in a healthier place emotionally now,
but in the first instance I had to suffer these things, these rejections and
the emotional pain of feeling and being rejected too. And as I said, no one but no one likes to be
rejected and no one but no one likes to feel rejected, nor may I add does
anyone like other people knowing they have been rejected either. But for the most part, it is something that
some of us can internalise to even a very great degree, as I did. The British way as well, is to drink a lot
when we go out, so our emotions are on overdrive and our critical faculties
become blurred just like our eyesight!
It’s then that many men make their move, after summoning up Dutch
courage, and this is perhaps another problem for men to think about. Seeking a loving and lasting relationship
rarely comes about through people being in an artificial situation whilst being
lubricated, especially if you’ve had one over the eight!
Some may conclude reading this ‘you seem extremely bitter about this, and
even bitter about women’ and I am bitter, but at least I am honest,
brutally honest and I think we all need to be honest about this subject instead
of just hiding behind hearsay and half-truths and stereotypes. I am at least writing about my personal
experiences here. I believe that until
we get honest about this whole dating scene, and the way women and men
misunderstand and mistreat each other and basically polarise and blame each
other, we will all be walking around blind, refusing to accept home truths
until we decide to get real. This in
fact could be said about any such situation like class and racism and
inequality and prejudices of all kinds.
A little dose of honest and plain speaking all around may be the fresh
air we all need.
Finally, I think the last thing I
say will tally with both men and women.
We all go to places like colleges, pubs, coffee bars and places like
that and sometimes we see someone all the time that we like and we get the vibe
they like us, but somehow etiquette or the situation or something else means we
can’t say anything, added to the fear of rejection and the fact that if you are
on a course or go to a place regularly for any reason, making a move on someone
however politely and nicely you may do it and then getting rebuffed in some way
means you will keep bumping into that person again and again; speaking from
experience again, this is not a nice thing to go through at all. And, if suddenly the person who has snubbed
you suddenly starts paying attention to you but doesn’t say anything, again you
are in a bind; go over and risk making a fool of yourself again, or just ignore
them? Either way, it is painful and
nobody really wins. There’s no happy
ending or perfect solution here, because we live in a fallen and hurting
world. I believe our reaction in the end
to the complexities, problems and sometimes downright painful realities of dating,
romance and meeting someone to love is to be a Christian one. Nothing more, nothing less.
‘Love is always patient and kind;
love is never jealous; love is not boastful or conceited, it is never rude and
never seeks its own advantage, it does not take offence or store up
grievances. Love does not rejoice at
wrongdoing, but finds its joy in the truth.
It is always ready to make allowances, to trust, to hope and to endure
whatever comes.’ (1
Corinthians 13:4-7 NJB)
‘Marriage must be honoured by all,
and marriages must be kept undefiled, because the sexually immoral and
adulterers will come under God's judgement.’ (Hebrews 13:4 NJB)
‘After all, brothers, you were
called to be free; do not use your freedom as an opening for self-indulgence,
but be servants to one another in love, since the whole of the Law is
summarised in the one commandment: You must love your neighbour as yourself.’ (Galatians 5:13-14 NJB)
Some links you might like to look at:
https://bible.org/seriespage/eat-my-dust-genesis-38-24
Hi Tim,
ReplyDeleteHonesty is good! The dating game you have laid out here seems to be a petty childish game that no one can win at, at least in the long run. So then, where does a Christian find a spouse? How about at a church, or a Bible study group? What about at a food shelter or a ministry group of some sort? Usually where you find God is a good place to start.
Just some honest thoughts for you. :)
Blessings,
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Hello Tim, there are two of your sentences that stood out to me as I read your post. The first one was:- ' That’s the perception I get from women anyway, from reading magazines and looking at websites and just from being around many women in the past in colleges and universities and friends’ houses.' The second one was:- ' yet how do people meet people these days to genuinely fall in love with someone? Go to pubs? It never seemed to work. Go to nightclubs?' You have mentioned here that your perception of women has been gathered by reading magazines, looking at websites, and being in colleges, universities and friends' houses', and questioning whether the places that people meet people are pubs and nightclubs. What I noticed is that you have not mentioned going to a church to have your need met. We can not be a Christian and not go to church because we are told that we should not forsake the gathering of ourselves together in Hebrews ch. 10 v.25, and who knows? maybe that is exactly where you will meet your future wife.
ReplyDeleteTim, the reason a lot of women are drawn to bad boys is actually related to vanity. The concept of changing someone and turning them round is a big turn-on to some and you're right to say that genuine people will not get a look in while that is the situation. Main thing to remember is that no relationship at all beats the crap out of being in a bad one, so don't be too hung up about the absence of 'the right girl', She'll come along in the fullness of time if that's what you really want, for all the right reasons, and remain true to yourself.
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Daz
Tim always appreciate your writings, support and encouragement. Blessings to you.....
ReplyDeleteThe topic in this post reminded me of a movie I watched this week call "Baggage Claim" I believe is the name, maybe you should check it out.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting post filled with truth, I enjoyed reading it.
It took me (and my husband) over 50 years to meet our match...I won't say "perfect" because none of us are perfect, lol. We met online on a Christian message board forum. He liked the way I expressed my thoughts (though often he disagrees with me now....hmmm...? well, when he does agree he acts like it was his idea, sigh) but we have the same background, his parents immigrated on the same boat that my family and I came to the U.S. on. I was saved after my first marriage ended, and I went a whole bunch of wrong directions during that time in between. But once I was saved, I still made some horrible decisions, but the Lord was in them and steered me through them. I was saved when I was 33 years of age. I married at 57 years of age, after talking with my now husband for about 8 years. We both believe in God and have beliefs that are similar to Calvinism, though we do not cling to tightly to any "ism", just hang on to the Lord Jesus, and seek Him through His word the Bible, and prayer, and trust His Spirit to guide us and teach us.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that I think might help you to remember is the passage in Proverbs to:
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Pro 3:8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
Be well my friend